From: "Richard Bullock" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 13:06:09 -0600
Subject: Re: PED: Extreme embouchures
After I started playing, again, after a 21 year break, I tried to re-establish the embouchure I had previously developed. I remember it was comfortable, easy to control, and I could play with it for hours on end. But I just coudn't quite get it, again.
I started lurking on the TPIN, made a few phone calls to discuss theory and mechanics, then made a few subtle changes. It improved many aspects of my playing, naturally with a few short-term sacrifices. What I was using was a separation of the lips, equally, even to the point of "playing on the red". Maybe I went too far. I could not seem to manage a quick, soft response from the get go-after I got the air moving, response seemed to come back.
Now that I've moved to a different area of the U.S., I've gotten a private
instructor, who has made some different changes. It sure has been
a pain to start over, again, again (not a typo). I have been playing
with equal amounts of lip in the mpc, no gap, no smiling, no pressure,
without rolling or protruding the lips. I have been frustrated trying
to get back good tone, endurance, flexibility, range, and everything else
I remember so fondly. But then again, I've been so busy doing other
things (music is not my primary source of income), I now realize I'm finally
getting what I
was looking (listening) for, after about three months of sporadically working on this. Could've been only a month if I'd been able to be more dedicated.
I do, now, use equal amount of lips. But I'm not a lead or solo jazz player. I expect more range as I continue to work at this. I am, however, rapidly getting closer to being able to play lead in a classical sense, again. It won't be long.
I feel like I've babbled enough.
On 12 Jul 97, Ole J. Utnes wrote:
> I've just reread Phil. Farkas great book "The Art of Brass Playing"
and I agree
> with Tim Swensen that: "The book's pictures are worth more than the text to me."
> >From time to time there has been some discussion on TPIN on the subject we
> could call extreme embouchures (double embouchure e.g. etc.)
> My fellow norwegian trumpet player, Rune (also on TPIN) and I have been
> discussing this subject for a while and Rune has put up some comments on his webpage at:
> let me quote some of Rune's point, that relate to Farkas discussion:
> <start quote>
> Protruding lips
> I think this is what the Maggio method is about. This is the lip position I use
> for pedals. I have not yet been very successful in keeping this configuration through my range. One successful > player using this embouchure is Walt Johnson.
> Equally positioned lips
> This is the configuration that most classical trumpet players use. It will not
> give you an extreme range. Using this lip position, my range decreases to around high C.
> Rolled in lips
> Many successful players roll in both lips over the teeth playing high notes.
> Some players are : Bill Chase, Clyde Hunt, Chase Sandborn. I don't feel comfortable playing this way, as the
> embouchure feels very unnatural.
> From pictures in the Farkas book, you will see that all players (trumpet, horn,
> trombone and tuba) have the "equally position lip" setting. But all players are/where symphonic
> - Do any of you think that lead-players have other settings (more extreme)?
> - Is it correct (MachBeth) to interpret the "Maggio Embouchure" as a protruding setting ?
> - Do some of you play with rolled in lips (Chase Sandborn, Clyde Hunt) ?
> Ole Jorgen Utnes - "Oulee the Gentle Viking"